Seminar - Enlightened Warrior Training Camp
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Warning: There is an extra fee for food and accommodations on top of the tuition already paid. This is not optional read your contract. Day 1 (arrival):
Cost: $2495, plus several hundred for food and lodging (deluxe as they are). This price is always changing depending on which program you have heard it quoted at, and how much the discount is. Also, Harv always offers a discount for bringing family members.
2005 Required Food and/or Lodging Rates:
Pemberton, BC - $395 Cdn (tent accommodation and meals)
Canmore, AB - $250 Cdn (meals only no accommodation included)
Ellenville, NY - Single Occupancy: $139 USD per room, per night* Double Occupancy: $199 USD per room, per night*
Beaumont, CA - Cottage: Double $549 USD, Triple: $465 USD Deluxe Inn : Triple: $510 USD, Quad: $499 USD, Five: $465 USD, Six: $455 USD
Overall Seminar Rating: C
Although some of the programs held merit, the poor staff training, cheap tactics for basic camp expenses (cleaning & transportation), as well as the lack of long term effects made me feel more like it was an overpriced summer camp for adults. Fun and challenging in some ways, frustrating in others, but in the end, didn’t do much for me, or the others I spoke with.
Who Should Attend: Families seeking a good bonding experience; People who love (or need) a good challenge
Would I Attend Again: No
What Is It?
The Enlightened Warrior Training Camp is one of Harv’s flagship programs; he has run it for several years. It is a smaller group program with around 200 attendees per camp. From what I understand, the purpose of the program is to help you break through your personal limitations, physically, mentally, and spiritually. This seminar goes beyond “intensive”.
The Camp – A Brief Summary
Days 2-5: The first night I didn’t sleep a wink! The remainder of the camp I averaged 3 to 5 hours per night. By the time I wound down from the evening events (a good hour) the snoring and giggling from very close neighboring tents began in harmony. To this day, I would like to know who had the energy to stay up 2 extra hours to tell stories and giggle! This made for a rough start each morning, but I certainly wasn’t alone. I think the snorers were the only ones who really slept. Each morning we were beckoned by a drum at 6am, yes I said 6am! The morning session was a warm up for the day. In reality, I am a morning person, but I felt that this morning session should have been totally thrown out. Rob told us stories about all the people who ranted about the wonderful early morning sessions, and how it really helped to start their day. I didn’t get the chance to speak with any of these inspirational people, but I did talk to a ton of people who would have rather slept in!
The early morning session was followed by breakfast, and a chance to shower. My advice, use this time to shower, it may be the only chance you have during the day. The morning meetings started at 9am sharp. They were typically training sessions, similar in structure to the MMI, just slightly different in content. An hour lunch came after these fairly relaxed morning events.
On day two, we were randomly divided into groups, otherwise known as “tribes”, of about 50 people. These were the groups we would spend our afternoon sessions with. The afternoon sessions are, well, intense to say the least. There are four different afternoon events, one for each day, and the tribes rotate between the events. For some people, every event pushed them outside of their comfort zone. For most people I spoke with, myself included, just one or two of the events really pushed us beyond our limitations. The remaining events were more like fun, somewhat challenging activities. The afternoon sessions are really the meat and potatoes of this camp for adults. Three of the programs were run by contracted out companies, and assisted by the Peak Potentials staff. One was just run by Peak Potentials staff. I was very impressed with each of the companies that Harv had contracted out, but much less so with his direct hiring. See below for my take on the staff situation. The programs are a secret, and I believe for one good reason, some people may chicken out!
As a side note, two of the afternoon sessions were off site from the camp. Rather than using all of that money we paid to go to the camp to rent a bus, Peak Potentials had us, the attendees, carpool in our own cars. Each caravan incident ended with a big problem, in our group, and in others. Not to mention, Peak Potentials did not reimburse any of the drivers for the gas or mileage in the two hours + of driving. Peak Potentials needs to reach into their budgets to provide basic transportation for their programs.
After the grueling afternoon sessions, dinner was always a welcome sight. You’re your group finished the afternoon program, determined how long your dinner break was. This is why I recommend the morning showers. After dinner, the evening sessions consisted of a small amount of training, followed by another event.
Nights two through four were very mellow events, luckily, as we were all turning into zombies by the night. Night five was another big challenge, the “peak” challenge if you will. It was hyped up incredibly, yet it seemed to be somewhat unmemorable in the end. It is either over hyped, overdone, or just not effective. I am not sure which, but it didn’t do anything special for me, or for any of the group-mates I kept in touch with. Maybe we were just too tired!
Late night snacks sent us all off to bed anywhere from 11pm to 2am. The entire seminar ends very late on day 5, so most people opt to stay the night. If you do not wish to, it is fairly safe to leave after the closing ceremony, you would recognize it when it hits.
Sales
Rather than being interspersed throughout the program, such as in the MMI, the bulk of the seminar sales are saved for the last day. They do prepare you for the sales, as Harv’s other programs are conveniently mentioned throughout the training sessions. However, the big build up seems to be saved for the last day, when you haven’t slept a wink, are nearly unconscious, and could quite literally be persuaded to do just about anything. Those of you who have already purchased the whole ball of wax aren’t safe either. Harv makes sure that each of his program groups offers a “new” program. There is always something big for you to buy, no matter what you have already purchased. If you are even slightly an impulse buyer, this could be a dangerous situation. Have your tent-mate hide your wallet before the last day.
If you like souvenirs, there is plenty available to buy throughout the Camp, CD’s, T-Shirts, Books, and not just Harv’s. Some of the contracted programs will have their own offerings. For the most part, these are inexpensive, low-pressure sales, and are definitely more suited to individual tastes.
Final Note: Although the sales were less intense than at the MMI, it was very irritating to sit through two hours of sales during a program, which I not only paid for, but also paid thousands of dollars for.
Staff
This was where our program hit more than a few bumps. From the lead presenters to the group staff, it was obvious that more training was required. The Warrior Camp was not as seamless as the MMI, in fact, the loose ends weren’t even sewn up. In line with the warrior motif of the camp, it appeared that the staff had been instructed to take a tough love approach. Most of the time, it came across as rude and arrogant. A few examples:
- On the first night Rob, threatened (yes threatened) that if we did not show up to the 6am morning program, we need not bother coming to breakfast. First of all, we paid for the food, above and beyond the seminar; second, I don’t think it is legal to withhold food from people, whether or not they slept through the morning program. This threat and several others, were re-iterated throughout the camp.
- The staff was untrained in first aid, and unable to recognize dangerous situations on several occasions.
- On more than one occasion, when something went wrong, the staff members would either get mad at us, the attendees, or they would get angry with their fellow staff or volunteers.
- Staff members were caught lying on several occasions, it seemed they felt this was the best way to get their point across.
- Staff members would get angry with people if they had to go to the bathroom at any time before or during an event.
- The staff members repeatedly cut in the food line in front of paying attendees. Twice, I waited in line for 15 minutes, only to have a staff member (different ones), come in out of nowhere and grab a plate, just as I was about to. I watched them do this to many other people.
- The staff approach was definitely not one of support, but more of treating grown adults like children. It was difficult to tell if this was a hiring or a training issue, but it appeared to be a very weak spot in the Warrior Camp.
Staff “Plants”
Another inappropriate use of staff was in “planting” staff members within each tribe. I think it is great if the Peak Potential’s staff members want to go through the company’s program, however, they should not be “hidden”. I asked the person in our group who turned out to be a staff member what they did for a living, and they lied to me. This person was definitely a ringleader in our group, giving instructions, persuading, etc. It also seemed a strange coincidence that each tribe had one or more staff members in it (a fact I discovered later). Other reports have confirmed several staff members “hidden” in the Millionaire Mind Intensives. These people may be just like you and me, there to learn. However, they do have a different energy. In addition to their own needs, they want to see the company succeed. This could easily alter their own behavior and encourage others to follow suit. You can draw your own conclusions on this, but it seemed very suspicious to me.
Volunteers
It was extremely disheartening to see the use of volunteers in this program. I was disappointed in the MMI to see volunteers being used in a for-profit corporation, but the Warrior Camp went far beyond what I believe is an ethical use of volunteers. Particularly, for a corporation that is earning tens of thousands of dollars from the camp and their labor.
Volunteers appeared to hold the level of responsibility that paid staff members did, but without the compensation. They seemed to work the full length of the camp (from early morning until late night), and were given duties that I don’t think anyone would typically volunteer for. Peak Potentials did not hire a cleaning staff for the event. Why should they when volunteers can clean the toilets? Every day and night, I watched the volunteers rotate turns in the latrines. The staff members may have pitched in, but I saw only volunteers.
But wait, it gets worse. I discovered that one of the core team members, a key note speaker teaching and selling Harv’s products, was an unpaid volunteer. If profiting from someone without compensating them doesn’t seem bad enough, I spotted him cleaning the toilets! Even if he wasn’t a volunteer, it doesn’t look good to see a keynote speaker cleaning toilets. Let’s just say credibility became an issue.
When I approached a staff member on this issue, they stated, “You do whatever it takes”. I’m sorry, but I don’t think taking my time off to clean toilets for a corporation making thousands of dollars off my labor is what it takes! So why do people volunteer? I don’t know, it is hard to pinpoint, but I almost did it myself. For some reason you feel compelled to, that it is somehow going to get you where you want to go. At this point, I feel as though this volunteering (whether intended or not) may be taking advantage of people who are at a confused point within their lives.
Food
Excellent! Since you pay additional for the food, it is catered. There was always a good variety of food, healthy yet filling and tasty, and the chefs were always there to whip up something specific for those on special diets. They catered breakfast, lunch, dinner, and late night snacks.
Kids?
There were several teenagers at the event, aged 12 and up. This is only a good experience for them if they are with family and loved ones while going through the camp. There were teenagers whose parents had sent them alone, and they definitely did not enjoy the experience as much as others. It can be a good strengthening camp for teens with self-esteem issues; I guess that would be most teens!
Extra Advice
If you do go, bring a watch, snacks, and extra blankets. The nights can be cold, the schedules are tight, and some food from home is always a good idea. Not to mention, most people spend the night on Day 5, since the program ends so late, but there is no breakfast supplied in the morning.
Follow-up – Life After the Enlightened Warrior Training Camp
The quick connections you make with people at the Warrior Camp can create a good support network in your everyday life. However, as with most commitments these days, the social network does begin to fade and fragment within a few months. I did have the opportunity to follow-up with about a dozen people from my “social network” approximately one to three months after the program. All, including myself, experienced an initial high upon returning home (very brief), followed by an intense need to catch up on sleep. Once “real life” had a chance to return, every single one of us experienced what we each described as depression. For some it was a big crash, for others just a “what do I do with my life now” phase. Although my career and personal life have been moving forward nicely since the camp, it seems to be at the same rate as before the camp. In fact, when I look back, I view the Warrior Training as three lost weeks of productivity in my life. One week for the seminar, one week as a sleepy zombie, and one week of depression.
posted by Inside Investigator @ 1:02 PM
62 comments
62 Comments:
Really tasteless to do this. I think your comments would be better sent directly to Harv rather than create a site that could ruin the experience for potential attendees. My daughter and I did it 2 summers ago and it was life changing for her... and sent her in a new life direction.
You may have lots to say about Harv but this doesn't say much for you.
This camp was one of the hilites of my life. I use the principles every single day. It was never meant or sold as a "princess" camp. If you had and obviously still have such a problem getting up at 6:00 and are so worried about your food and the staff who works tirelessly, cutting the line so they can prepare your next event on time, and volunteers who love the energy and the benefits they got from their experience, then there's only one thing to say, "Your broke!"
I'd like to meet you in person so I can find ALL the things wrong with YOU and post them on a blog!!
Enlightened Warrior camp is life-changing for thousands of people every summer. How do I know? Everyone I took the camp with said it was. And my camp-mates are still close friends and we would do anything for each other even today.
I've volunteered at camps since then, and it was a blast! I'd recommend it for anyone wanting to truly 'serve' and help change lives for the better.
Before writing something like this, you should really do your research. If you did, you would find 99.9% of the graduates proud about their accomplishments, not only at the camp, but in their life after.
If anyone reads this blog, be sure to attend the camp to see for yourself! You'll love it.
There are two types of people in this world: Those who are going to learn from anything and anyone, and those who have CHOSEN to play the victim, complaining about everything. The very top post seems to be the second one.
I just came back from the MMI, and I don't have a "high" nor do I struggle with sleep issues. It was the most incredible teaching methods I've ever seen. I'm sure I could find 50 more things wrong with the whole experience, but as they said in the seminar, "What you focus on expands." If you focus on things that weren't wrong, you'll find it. If you focus on all that you could learn, and all the other learners, you'll learn a ton and bond with the other learners.
For every negative thing that this person chose to highlight, I could find 10 positive things. But as they shared at the seminar, this person's comments says more about how they are than what they say about the seminar.
I'm planning on going to the Warrior seminar next month, and I ecstatic to learn, and hang around those who are ridiculously passionate about learning. Just like MMI, I choose to stay away from complainers and people who are in bondage with fear.
Depression? What's that? Like I said, this says more about the blogger.
If you are the person who wrote the blog I'm talking about, I really hope that you take my comments as a challenge, not a "pointing my finger" criticism.
If you have never gone to any of these seminars, and you absolutely love learning and growing as a person, do yourself and those around you and go to as many seminars as possible!!!!!
Like they said at the seminar, two people could be seating at the seminars, one would leave complaining, and the other leaves and explodes in the real world!
Namaste.
I would request that the person who wrote this never volunteer, unless they go through an attitude change.
I really see that it is a matter of when a person is ready, the teacher will come. Until then, the lessons fall on deaf ears!
If you took the volunteers and staff and asked them if they felt they were being mistreated, I suspect that you would find 99% of them are having the time of their life, even though they are working hard.
Also, when it comes to the comment on the speaker helping with the work... one style of leadership is the servant leader, or doing by example. It is actually the one I believe in--how can I ask someone else to do something I am not willing to do myself? I have the utmost respect for a leader rolling up their sleeves and pitching in to help... but then to me it shows their heart and character.
I am saddened that someone would allow themselves to be distracted by "comfort" and other stupid things, instead of focussing on what is important. But then, nothing has meaning except for the meaning we give it.
Enlightened Warrior Training Camp is a training camp for your life. Rob "threatened" the students - ha.. he simply called them on being accountable to an agreement they signed when they entered the course. Rarely does anyone hold us accountable in life and with Warrior being a training camp, it's meant to teach students to live by their word, that their word is law and to not break their commitments. Warrior camp changes lives. I've seen it in my own course and in many others. I'd say you're one of a very few people who just didn't take action on the lessons, nor apply them to your life. Warrior camp is a mirror and your blog and your posts indicate that you're very critical about yourself. At least that's my opinion.
Is anyone else seeing a trend here? I can't seem to find anyone other than Inside Investigator who didn't find Warrior Camp to be an incredible experience.
It was life altering. Really. Didn't expect it. And I've never paid that much for anything before. It was worth it.
So are there any other nay-sayers out there? Those of you considering Warrior Camp take note: it seems only II is the unhappy one.
Maybe you should take it again, II. I find it really sad that you didn't get as much out of it as the thousands of us who loved it. If you didn't get a rush out of the Wednesday night activity, I honestly don't know what it would take.
I've lived through years of depression. It started 35 years ago, in fact. I finished Warrior Camp two weeks ago and my depression is far, far away. I can't believe you wound up depressed after Warrior. I'm really sorry to hear you had that experience. I'm also sorry to say that it isn't the course creating your problems.
I found your site after looking for some dirt on Peaks. There really isn't any out there. I'm kind of shocked. If this is as bad as it gets, then I guess I'm just going to have to enjoy the ride and be happy I didin't get ripped off.
You seem adverse to the experiential stuff. Like it's fluff. Not worth it. In fact, that seems to be your beef with Train the Trainer. That it is really only about 15% content. I'm a teacher and I can attest to the fact that students don't retain much of anything from 100% lecture. We just don't learn that way--utterly ineffective. We need the whole experience-- kinesthetic, aural, visual, sensory. The whole thing. Peaks does that. It makes us uncomfortable because tradiational (ineffective) schooling doesn't. Sure I felt stupid at first high-fiving, singing, dancing. Then I realized it was the high school peer pressure voice telling me I looked stupid. I don't want to be a teenager anymore! I'm 39. Enough! The point I'm trying to make is that the other content in the workshops is designed to integrate the hard knowledge. It means nothing unless you live it.
I respectfully suggest that maybe you didn't really go there. Maybe you didn't really let the experiential learning happen-- it is quite powerful. I suspect that if you had, you wouldn't need to make this blog.
This kind of work has really helped me beat the depression. Yes, beat it. I have. It's gone. Sleep disorders were a big part of it too. And being a work-a-holic. And obsessive. And a complainer. And a victim. I've let go of that stuff, thanks to MMI and Warrior in part and thanks to lots of other help, work and knowledge--specifically CBT which is another technique used by Harv (positive self-talk in part).
If there are any other unhappy Warriors out there, speak up. I find it hard to believe that anyone else didn't find it a peak experience-- unless you were hanging with all the other complainers.
At first I found what Harv (Rob and Dave) said about complainers and "victims' really harsh. Then I realized it described me and how I'd learned to behave. I now know I have choices. If Nelson Mandela can sit in a jail for over two decades and still find the positive energy to change the world, then I'm sure the rest of us can make our own reality just a little bit brighter.
PS. I counted only half an hour of selling in 70 hours of "experience".
Inside Investigator, I'm sure that the Peaks staff reads your site and has made changes accordingly. All the things you complained about were all rectified by the time I took Warrior. So good on you, Dude, your feedback has clearly improved the quality of the course.
Which summer and where did you go?
Thanks for your hard work and drive to help people out.
Alex H., Vancouver, BC
I just got back from Warrior Camp and was searching for other people's experiences when I found this site. Imagine my surprise when I read "Inside Investigator"'s opinions on this course - they certainly didn't match with my own!
Of course I kept reading and got to the comments and realized that II is the only one here who seems to think that way, so I breathed another sigh of relief.
Am I tired from Warrior Camp? Absolutely!
Am I a little worn out from Warrior Camp physically, mentally and emotionally? You bet!
Am I wondering where I'm going to go with all of this new insight and personal knowledge? Most definitely!
Does any of that bother me? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST!
I would much rather spend 4.5 days at Warrior Camp then spend 4.5 hours or even minutes sitting in a lecture hall listening to some talking head tell me how to do it. At Warrior Camp I actually got to get up and do it and learned exactly what I'm capable of accomplishing in my life.
I hope that II's intentions are to help Peak Potentials improve as opposed to turning people off trying them out. These are hands down the best courses I've ever attended in my life and I've attended more than my fair share.
If you're reading this and considering whether or not you should go to Warrior Camp stop thinking about it. Just make the decision to go and try it out. You will learn more about yourself in these few days than you can possibly imagine.
Wow, why not give details about the actual activities each afternoon. why not. They aren't a secret for a blog like this. People should know what they are in for. Meanwhile all the anonymous quotes here are from some insider from Peak Potentials. Why don't you talk about the firewalk, or the choking club, or the attack by the Ninja...
Hi Insider,
I am curious as to why you don't describe what happens at Warrior Camp. It's really oppressive. If you enjoy intimidation, people checking up on your attendance, being threatened with expulsion if you can't attend something or you want to sit out some activity, or if you want your kid subjected to violent activities, you should definitely attend this camp. If not, and if you see something wrong with this, don't attend Warrior Camp!!! And be aware that most of the chumps who wrote the above comments are just "plants" from Peak Potentials. Peace.
I appreciated the comments in "Seminar - Enlightened Warrior Training Camp." Whoever posted that had a different experience than I did. For instance, I found the staff at my camp to be gracious, kind and understanding. My learder was MJ. Maybe she had the latitide in creating that environment. Rob may have a different style. Also, none of us were ever late for morning sessions. She was supposed to read us the riot act if any one of us skipped the early morning activities, but she never had to. She actually had to call Harv to ask what to do. That situation had never occured at Warrior Camp.
If you get a chance to attend a camp that MJ leads you should do it. Rob lead the first day of my MMI. MJ is definitely a cut about Rob and even above Harv in my opinion.
For those who posted angry responses: if you are afiliated with Peak Potentials you are not helping the cause. The best thing you could say is "Thank you for the feedback. We always strive to improve our courses. We will take your comments to heart and will take action to make appropriate corrections."
I too don't like to see unpaid staff at events like this. I have done other courses where this is done. It actually violates state minimum wage laws. The Peak Potentials organization and others like it may think they have legal outs but when the class action suit is waged they will have to change how they do business.
Anyway, I thought the original post was a good one and was very objective. I think it's important for people who are considering the course to have access to this candid information so that they can make an informed decision.
My only cmment is that the original poster should take a look at his or her original post...THAT, is a reflection of your life.
I attended the Enlightened Warrior Training in Sept.of 06'in NY. LOVED IT!! Would ABSOLUTLY do it again. When I have some free time, I plan on seeing if I can help out @ the camp so I may experience it again for free. It was a life changing experience & INTENSE isn't enough to describe it. Staight off the chain would be more to the point. Sure, there were 1 maybe 2 aspects at most that I could've done without but REALLY...how do u please all of the people all of the time? I can't possibly say enough to describe what an amazing, life altering experienceit it was. I thought I saw the one gentleman from england (who spoke the majority of the time)in NY on Wed & the wonderful feeling that rushed through me was beautiful. Unfortunatly, it wasn't him. I'd love to thank him & Harv 1000 times over. They're the most amazing men I've ever been so blessed to cross paths with. I can't wait to see them again!
I got so wraped up in my wonderful experience, I forgot to comment on the posting that prompted me to open an account just now so I could respond...sorry u couldn't cut it. I had a 60 something year old woman hangin' with me in predicaments. Lets admit it...that was WAY 2 much for u & that's why ur crying about it now. U just couldn't handle it. The people who really benefit from this are those who are PREPARED to push themselves past every self imposed limit they've created for themselves...not 5 star hotel junkies. These programs aren't 4 people like u. Good luck...the fact that u were even there says u have the right idea...ur just not ready 2 hike up ur sirt & give it all u got.
Hey Mr. or Mrs. annonymous @ 9:53am...my mom sent me to the training camp.I never even heard of T.Harv till she 1st sent me & my girl friend to MMI & then Warrior camo. Here's a word for u 2 look up...ACCOUNTABILITY. Sorry u couldn't hang either. If ur not ready 2 really "show up"~ Don't. Save ur $...showing up & being accountable is what it's all about. It wasn't summer camp. You don't come 2 play & join in the activities u feel like it. When u go 2 college u r asked 2 b just as accountable. If u show up when u feel like it & don't do the REQUIRED assignment...U FAIL(Clearly u never attended) Or as u would describe it...ur threatened with expulsion. I'm just glad the intelligant people who are reading everyone's comments are able to recognize weekness, ignorance, & the "victims". I feel sorry 4 u. U've clearly never been surrounded by strong minded, accountable people. With that attitude u'll stay just where u r in life...SAD
I just got back from Enlightened Warrior Training Camp a week ago and WOW! This was LIFE CHANGING. When I went I knew it was going to be intense but I had no idea what I was in store for. I'm SO GLAD I pushed through.
I will never see life the same way again. Every moment, every breath is a gift and I can't thank Peak Potentials enough. All of the little things I was wrapped up in all the tiny problems I blew up in my head are so insignificant now.
This camp really puts things in perspective and it truly helps you get out of your own way.
I think some people fall into the role of "critic" as some sort of comfort blanket they can wrap themselves in to excuse their own failures. The fact is there is no excuse and I say this with all the love and compassion I have.
Go back, don't tuck your tail and run. Get through the camp! There is a part of you that is uneasy because you didn't and you know what I am talking about. But you are not truly unsuccessful unless you never decide to go back and get through it.
Get through it and then I would love to hear your comments. And don't beat yourself up for not getting through the camp either, we don't fail if we hop back on and tackle what needs to be tackled;)
I just completed warrior camp in ellenville ny aug08 and I must say Wow there are no words to describe this incredible journey. The time there was well spent and I learned that I am so much more capable of Everything!!! Give it a try , and you to will be amazed...
Good on you, II, I appreciate one person's alternative view on the subject. Many of the people who have posted comments here sound like cultists. Bring it on! People should get more than ONE point of view.
It is so interesting to read these comments - I stumbled on this blog totally by chance. I was looking for some Peaks Volunteers... It has been more than 4 years since I attended my Warrior camp in Alberta with my daughter. I think I had the toughest experience at the beginning - it was raining non-stop and we stayed in a tent the first 2 nights... To make matters worse, I slipped and injured my knee the first night. Having my 12 years old daughter gave me courage to pull through the experiences. The "scariest" day was pretty nasty for me, but was my daughter's favorite. The activities aren't "a secret" as much as when taken out of context their description is totally meaningless and deceptive.
If any parent is going to read this post, I have one thing to share with you: I am deeply grateful to Harv for allowing teens in the camps. I feel blessed as a mother and Harv deserves a ton of credit for helping me raise my daughter the way she is. After attending the Warrior camp, she went to her "traditional" camp that she has been going for years before. Only that year, when I came to pick her up, everybody (the other parents, mostly) were treating ME with utmost respect - oh, YOU are Sasha's Mom!.. Later, I was told that my daughter took all the top honors in camp - that never happened before in the 47 year history of the camp. The best scout, the best this and that.... too many to list. It seemed like after she went through Warrior (we were in different tribes), she got the permission to be her best. She excels at school now, is very active at a lot of school functions, a true Leader, well liked and respected on her XC team, executive committees, started a few "empowerment" programs and on and on... All I can tell you, if she hadn't gone to a Warrior with me, many of her gifts might still be hidden and unclaimed.
Sure, she did go to a Wizard camp and volunteered last year at Wizard with me, but both she and I still credit the Enlightened Warrior camp for the shift that happened, and there was no turning back.
I have since volunteered probably 8 or 9 times at Warrior, Wizard, ULC, TT1 and TT2... It is most gratifying to see how the faces of the people change (sometimes literally beyond recognition) in those 5 days - my eyes well up every time.
The best part is, and I have observed it through 4 years, some people who started as skeptics and critics 4 years ago, and even were bitter after some of their experiences, when they kept going to camps and other training (sometimes only because they paid for it!) they totally transformed. I know some of the people who could have written a post like that, and today they'd read it and say: "boy, I've come a long way", and forgive themselves for the harsh words that came out of them... because now they know better...
Some of the people who were in my tribe have done impressive things since, and I am humbled to have known them before they became famous, and yes, rich.
Many blessings to You for reading my comment. May you find what you seek, and remember that what you seek is also seeking you.
Blessed be. AHO!
It can't hurt to have more than one perspective. So I thank the person who wrote the review - II. It takes courage to do that.
All the comments that 'approved' or 'did not approve' of the camp were useful to me.
I am considering taking this is August 2009.
Would someone please tell me about some of those activities? Don't worry about blowing the 'big secret' because it's really foolish to think you can't tell anyone. Any mature person can handle being told what the intense activities are.
You can email me at islandhorizon@hotmail.com
thanks!
harv's alot of talk but not walk save your money.. reasons or results is a scam.. when your in an RorR situation don't vall harv.. he's too buzy making passive income off the attendees of hos seminars..save your money
Hi warrior, Raymond here.
We are organizing an event for all Warriors Alumni Graduates and their family on 22nd January 2010 and we want you to join us.
You can check out the detail here
http://www.attractingyourgoals.com/EWRC.pdf
My mission is to gather all warriors from all over the world for this event.
If you are still keep in touch with your tribe members, please help me to pass this message along to them.
Just bear in mind that this event is strictly for warriors and their families ONLY!
To register or to ask any question regarding this event, kindly contact me (Raymond Chua) via the contact email in the pdf
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Attracting the best,
Raymond Chua
(Warrior's name: Green Dragon)
It's clearly a cult with the sole purpose of taking your money. I feel sorry for the gullible, needy people who fall for this kind of crap. I'm sure it makes you feel good, for awhile, until you need another "hit". I suspect heroin is cheaper, though.
Great post - has anyone got anything like this for Wizard????
I did Warrior and found exactly the same as you said - we had a broken leg one one event, which the staff "first aid" person called a "high ankle sprain" - I kid you not! He was going to make her walk on it!!! (It was an open fracture, if the guy had even BASIC first aid, he'd have pulled down her sock and looked!
Wizard is in my "quantum leap" program and I'm trying to work out whether going would be simply throwing away yet more money on these lousy courses...
Very interesting. I'm just about to go to Enlightened warrior camp this month. Did they have electricity to plug in our cell phones?
I'm sure you can get out of the camp what you put into it. I've learning from every training experience I've been involved with Peak Potentials or any other. I guess it's just my mindset.
Emphasis on noise and enthusiasm over thoughtful analysis! Search "Cult" on Wikipedia and tell me for yourself.
I agree with the review. There is a defense of the status quo by all these "plants" and "insiders" on this particular blog (and in each Peaks course) encouraged by an audience self-selected to be uniform. Yes or Yes!
The review is not "tasteless" but rather an honest report based in critical thought. Haven't learned to think critically yet?.....then maybe you do need to take more courses. Not in Peak Potentials, but rather in real academia where you can learn to think critically and challenge your own world view and opinions of others both present and past.
If you ARE someone who likes the challenge ie. boot camp or military style life. TREE PLANT!..... Build character, make money and reduce carbon emissions.
Save your money and....
DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID
Calgary, Alberta Canada
matt
To those of you slamming the author of this blog, get your heads out of the sand.
I took EWT. Aside from the physically intense portions, there was nothing about it that was particularly life changing. I love heights, I am deceptively strong for my build, and there really isn't any physical challenge that I'm not willing to at least try. I was expecting them to challenge my mind, body and soul. As it turns out, I could challenge Rob Riopel's on any given day.
To top it off, after the course, it turned out I had a 2 thousand dollar credit with peak potentials. They said I could put it toward another course. I said 'no thanks, I'll just have it back please.' They said 'oh no, see, now that we have it, we get to keep it.'
Harv's own words: How you do anything is how you do everything. They stole from me. They'll steal from you.
Those attending will:
Have to hike a good long while, carrying various articles of heavy gear.
Sit in a sweat lodge.
Spar with each other using padded cushions for protection.
Someone in your tribe will be attacked without warning by a supposed martial arts expert in Predicament. You'll also be choked to unconsciousness in that event.
You'll have to ride a fairly long zipline, which is really fun and perfectly safe. You'll have to climb a moderately tall pole and jump to ring a bell, all with ropes and harnesses, so you're not going to fall.
You'll have to climb a jacob's ladder. (giant rope and wood ladder) with a partner, usually stronger or weaker than you. (if you've a spouse or 'partner' you'll be teamed together to do it)
You'll do a firewalk. About 30 feet or so. Just do as instructed and it's a breeze.
That's about it. All things you can do on your own, and don't have to pay $3000 dollars for. Don't waste your money on Peak Potentials. You're already stronger than you think, and life will find that out for you.
The silliest advise I ever read - to do the activities on "your own".
The events ARE NOT about the activities at all. The difference between doing the activities on your own and doing it at the Peaks Camps is like singing along to a TV tune (you are still singing) or playing in a band - and having a time of your life... while being challenged, stretched, supported. After I moved to the US and lived here for over 15 years going to Peaks Events was the first time I felt young, playful, and surrounded by indescribable loving energy of the participants and staff. Doing it on my own?!!!!
The friendships that developed with the Peaks people - a self selected group of people committed to not only their own personal growth, but for the most part also very noble people - are irreplaceable. The bond that I have developed with them is stronger and deeper than I had with any other friends.
THAT what makes Peaks' events and courses so special. My life is so much better now because of those connections.
You can't even hope to "do it on your own". The person who offers such advice obviously missed out on the most important things. Sad.
Listen to your own heart, everybody's advice reflects their own experiences. Don't reduce them to the description of activities.
It would seem you missed a significant amount of the teaching that is delivered in this course. We all signed an agreement to play at 100% - and it is only when we show up at 100% that we extract the benefits.
The most powerful teachers at these events - are the participants, and it is our own efforts guided by the course facilitators that bring us through.
EWTC was a life changing experience for myself, and my family - and I am grateful for the experience. I have - and will continue - to recommend it to anyone who is looking to rediscover their true nature.
As much as I honour free speech and all people's right to their opinions - please have another look at what you are writing - you are not being in integrity - when you spoil the experience for others. Remember - we all took a vow not to talk about what the activities or procedures in the camp are.
Look into your life and see where else this may be showing up - how you do anything is how you do everything.
Secrets of becoming a Millionaire? Easy, just figure out a slick way to get other people to give you their money for nothing, and have them worship you for it.
L. Ron Hubbard did it in the 50's, why not this Eker character in the 2000's?
I am very disappointed to see your blog to ruin a precious experience for others who may want to attend. Although the Enlightened Warrior Training was not a physical challenge for me, it was in many ways a deeper challenge (ie, realizing I don't celebrate my successes, etc)...the program came at a perfect time in my life & I am thankful to Harv for giving me a powerful experience.
To everyone who still cares...I am an Enlighten Warrior who experienced the course in Squamish, 07. I guess I am lucky that Harv is the one who taught my training and I have to say he really Kicked our Ass! I know this because I volunteered the next year for EWTC and saw how another trainer did the training. As a volunteer, I loved every minute of it, we get up earlier than all participants and go to bed after the participants. Please remember this is Warrior Camp not Wimp camp. We know that you couldn't pay someone to be as invested as we are because we have been thru' it and know how powerful it can be! We volunteers are "paying it forward", hopefully giving to the new Warrior what we were given. If you are minimzing what happened, you still have something to "work on", just as all of us do, but you're the one denying it. I have been thru' Wizard Training and MOSHOG and my wife and I are looking forward to Ultimate Leadership Training in 2010.
P.S. nobody has ever asked me to drink any koolaide!!!
I have been to the free Millionaire Mind Intensive, Guerilla Business School, and wil be attending the WG Marketing Seminar later this year.
Not having gone to EWTC yet, I can't comment on it, but... I hear people alleging that EWTC is merely an LGAT with intensely violent practices.
Some thoughts...
Your Right to Choose
No MATTER what activities, seminars, LGATs, prisons, POW camps, concentration camps you may end up in your life, you ALWAYS have a choice over your thoughts, beliefs, actions, and reactions. You do not sign away your conscience or sense of morality when you decide to enter a course. Partaking in any immoral activity is ALWAYS inexcusable no matter the context. Human beings ALWAYS have choice over their actions. Words like 'the devil made me do it' regardless of what form you believe 'he' took... is just an excuse. Grow a frickin' backbone and stand for what's good and what's right!
To Detractors
NONE of the Enlightened Warrior graduates that I have met seem to me to have 'suffered' for their experiences. ALL seem to be very loving, positive, driven people.
These alegations seem entirely inconsistent with the personality and character of Harv Ecker, the trainers, other students, and EWTC students I have met so far. Is is possible? Sure. Likely? I highly doubt it.
Nothing I have seen in the attitudes or actions of Harv, the trainers, or EWTC graduates I have met would give the slightest indication of what you would accuse them of. ALL that I have met have been very loving, exuding strength and confidence regardless of whether they just finished last week or years ago.
ENOUGH with the vague allegations and vague praise.
If there's crap going on at EWTC that's TRULY harming to one's well-being, then by all means bring forth your evidence and specific stories. Until then, y'all sound like a bunch of whiners with nothing specific to whine about. If there's something wrong, I WANT to know. If there's nothing wrong and you just couldn't hack it at EWTC, be honest with yourself and everyone else and desist. It's the only way for everyone (yourself included) to move forward.
To Promoters
As a reader, I'd like to believe as much as the next guy that all these allegations are false; however, y'all need to help out by not just providing annecdotes about how much EWTC has helped your life but more specifically... WHAT can a new EWTC expect in terms of curriculum, experiences, etc. If you could give new students a littany of what goes on in the camp and we choose freely to attend, you'll know that we're coming with both eyes open. You say that some of the practices are being 'taken out of context' and aren't what they seem. Then do us all a favor and put them back INTO context.
Final Thoughts
Baseless allegations make detractors look like whiners.
Vague defenses make promoters look naive or as those with vested interests.
New/Prospective students deserve to know the ENTIRE truth. The good, the bad, and god forbid... the ugly (if that actually does exist).
Confidentiality my (rear-end)!! This isn't a game. This is real life.
The context of EWTC could be summarized in the definition of an Enlightened Warrior - THE ONE WHO CONQUERS HIMSELF. Many activities are designed to challenge the ego, to bring out the parts of selves that are often sabotaging our best intentions, to bring out our "inner bi*ches"...welcome them and let them go... for good. Self-defense activities might appear scary - but the situations in real life when those skills are called for are a lot scarier. My daughter (who attended EWTC when she was 13) told me that they had a similar training in her HS the other day...
In the light of James Ray's scandal, I am so happy, grateful and proud of the way sweat lodges were run at Peaks - with the utmost concern for safety.
I have attended my training in Alberta, and since volunteered at a dozen Peaks' camps (Warrior, Wizard, Ultimate Leadership) Safety of the participants was always a top priority - in my experience.
Comfort? Not necessarily and not always. By design.
Lotta shaming going on in these posts. Sometimes the truth hurts. Both sides of it. I felt the volunteers appeared to be used up by long hours...and yes, they were cleaning those nasty bathrooms. Yech! It looks bad for your company. Pity they can't afford to have it done professionally. Cheap,cheap, cheap. It really doesn't say much about the millions they are extracting from their students.
I agree that you reveal too much here, part of the experience is not being aware of what is going to happen next and letting experiences build on each other. I give the event an "A".
Anyone who has to pay thousands of dollars to attend this cult needs there head examined... Why don't all you people use your money for something worth while... You people want to became a better person, raise your self esteem, learn about yourself and have a life changing experience then why don't you use that money and go traveling to a thrid world country and maybe you people will all realize that attending this scam was a waste of time and money... The people that work there don't care about you they just want your money...!! I read one comment that attending this cult was the high light of his life... That person really need's to get out a little more... I think you all need to get out a little more...
My cousin recommended this blog and she was totally right keep up the fantastic work!
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Oh dear, the comments from those who have attended does show that no matter how good NLP courses may be, it sure does take a lot more for a person to be "human" and to be "re-born" once again. NLP does help address deep-rooted issues especially that it is a wake-up call for most who has been unconscious of their subconscious all these while. However if you're determined to change you sure can be successful in whoever and whatever you want to be. NLP may help you get there faster. We all need to be clear of what we really want in life. It all starts within you, what’s inside.
When someone does wrong, it does not make it right to do wrong. To make right is to teach love and demonstrate its power to overcome all suffering. We were never right to make wrong or wrong to make right. To be right, make right.
right/wrong...flip sides of the same coin...quit callin it heads or tails and invest in LIFE -- Warrior Training 101! This dude simply gave a balanced perspective of his experience. If he signed and agreement saying he wouldn't reveal what happened, well that is "wrong". But hey, just like ife, what comes around goes around. He'll pay the price. So how is it anyone's business to condemn or STIMATize him like so many here have? What concerns me is the ranting and raving I just read in response! When people get this defensive, there's a reason. I recall being asked several times at the training if I was willing to be "brainwashed". These people lashing out at this guy for saying a few things about what he didn't like kinda reminds me of Tom Cruise ranting and raving about Scientology's views on psych drugs. Sounds a wee bit finatical! As if you've been, oh, I dunno...brainwashed...laughing. If you go, enjoy the kool-aid! seriously! be FULLY indoctrinated if yer gonna PAY to be a disciple, for CHRIST's sake! whatever you do, do it ALL the way or not at all. You'll learn more!love the suggestion on visiting a 3rd world country if you really want to challenge yerself. I've been in the military (where they at least pay you to be a POW) and what i experienced at this training was fluff comparatively. Maybe some of us do need more of a challenge? or maybe life is its own challenge as one of the posters commented. Still, I did learn a lot from some of the exercises when i really let go and just witnessed my reactions. It's a lot easier to really step back and watch your habitual response patterns at a retreat than in real time. Nuff said. Thanks for reading.
P.S. if you don't like what i said, please at least use a nail gun so it won't hurt as much being nailed up to that ole cross this time...thanks again.
Hi. I know this is an old post, but I wanted to leave my thoughts with you.
Thanks so much for this blog. I want to thank you for taking a risk in creating this website, and offering some insight into the Peaks courses. I think it speaks highly of your intergity to be able to recognize the downsides in the programs, while still respecting the programs. Peaks has an approach that is off-putting, and I think that if people really want to see the programs succeed, they need to recognize the downsides to the Peaks approach. As someone who runs a summer a camp, I am particularily appreciative of this post about Warrior Camp. I've attended a few events, and the staffing issues are the biggest onesfor me. Again and again, I am concerned by the approach of the staff, especially the tendency to lie, evade, or manipulate. It drives me crazy! I don't think this was Harv's original intention, but the liberties certain personality types take with his message is not being managed. At my last MMI, I finally met a wonderful person who actually seemed interested in my personal growth. He actually said "I shouldn't be telling you this, because we're about high pressure sales, but..." and I was so thankful he turned back into a real human for that brief conversation.
The anger that arises in a lot of the comments on this blog make me so nervous. If Peaks people are still reacting with so much anger when their programs are critiqued (not criticised), then what are they so afraid of? Why are they so defensive? I think the anger is a symptom of the larger issues that lead people to Peaks in the first place. I offer this to those angry commentors: have faith in yourself. Don't be so quick to judge others, because that reaction could be indicative of your own fear of being judged. If Peaks programs work for you, then congratulations on taking control of your self and your life.
Thanks again, Insider, on creating space for discussion about the effectiveness of the Peaks approach. In this space, hopefully we can all find the right methods for us to reach our goals.
I've only heard great things about the camp. I have not experienced it yet but it is on my "intention list" of things to do with my 2 sons to help not only them with their life but mine as well. Interesting as I was reading I kept thinking "whiny baby" or complainer. I bet if you spent some time really contimplating what you gained from this experience you will find it. I have found the greatest learning experiences from life have been the worst things. The worst vacations have given me the greatest and usually funniest stories to share. Think positive and your life and it's experiences will be positive.
I thank every single person who commented on this site. It encourages me more than ever to keep my intention to take my two boys for a great experience. (Even though I would rather be the princess in a cabin than a tent.) That's the whole idea though isn't it? Get out of your comfort zone and grow into that better person that is capable of so much more.
I've registered for EWTC in July 2011. I'm considering taking my 16 year old daughter with me. She's not an atheletic person, she doesn't have a lot of stamina. I feel she has low self esteem. Honestly parents please let me know if I should take her? I don't want to physically harm her in anyway. Thanks.
I took my 13 year old almost 6 years ago... The best thing I've done. All of these "scary" stuff that people share here when taken out of context do more harm than good... If your daughter would like to be happier, to learn to love and acknowledge herself more, to be more successful and to become her best self - she should go. If she offers resistance and you drag her to Warrior, she'd PROVE that you were wrong - and would get in some kind of trouble. In my years of volunteering for Warrior I've seen that too. Allow her to chose, then she'd be safe and the other benefits will follow. Just my 2 cents.
Eker's a crook running a snake oil racket. The more courses you sign up for, (or the more thousands of dollars you feed Eker) the more you'll be pitched to spend more thousands on more courses.
Warrior was physically challenging, but the mental and spiritual aspects were pretty much common knowledge and common sense. Lot of money to have someone tell you stuff you've known all your life.
I'm attending this camp after so many people have talked to me about it. I've seen it change so many lives of the older people in my life. I'm 15 and cannot wait to attend this. Judging by the comments and the people I know in person who have received excellent results from attending this camp - you are just negative and close minded. That's probably why this camp didn't have the same effect on you. You need to grow on your own a little more and learn that things are not always 1st class and perfect and that you are not always right. And then MAYBE try again.
Well, I'm going to this EWT camp this summer and I've been doing my research. I got sucked in, paid and there is no refund so I'm going with a friend. I think what I got most out of these comments, both negative and positive, is that it's important to be aware there is a level of "brain washing" going on. And the question is...is this brain washing helpful in a persons life. Sounds like, for some it is and others it is not. In my experience most people don't "change" unless they are faced with something very intense or tramatic... a death, personal health issue, years of therapy etc. I know when I was an Outward Bound instructor, we took people to their edge via rock climbing or other out of their comfort zone experience and at that point we taught them genuine life skills and this methodology appeared to be a powerful method for change. I do agree that Peak should screen people to see if theyre good candidates for this as it might tip some over as the methods they seem to be using...sleep depravation, "mind clearing" meditation/yoga et al could make someone vunerable to who knows what.
So I thought about skipping this camp but I'm paid up and after reading the good, bad and ugly have decided to surrender to this overpriced experience, participate and hopefully get something positive out of it because utimately I believe that it's not their responsibility to do it for me, it's mine, they are just providing the structure to do it in.
Wow I can't believe how many people are personally attacking this person for posting their opinion. Is this what Harv teaches?
To the person who did the initial post - Thank you for posting your opinion and giving people an opportunity to make informed choices. It is quite scary how people are responding to this post as though it is offensive to have one's own opinion. This was his/her personal experience and it is totally valid. The fact that people are so opposed to anyone expressing their individuality or freedom of thought makes the camp sound rather cultish.
This person pointed out several postives in their post yet everyone seemed more than ready to attack him/her for voicing anything negative. Let's be realistic this is not an altruistic service - this is a for-profit program and some of the misappropriation of aboriginal teachings is rather offensive.
Albeit, I know this camp has benefited many people but I am rather discouraged by the attitude of former participants who would attack someone personally for simply expressing their opinion in a perfectly appropriate manner.
I do not have the make up to be part of something that has a rather greasy sales-orientated dishonest feel about it. To be fair, some are at a place in their lives where this might be of benefit, but I prefer a more honest, cerebral approach to behavior modification. I might appreciate a kick in the butt, but I don't need to be "scared straight."
I just finished MMI and received a scholarship to EWTC. Now I'm a pretty skeptical person and can see that SOME of the training/activities at MMI raised a flag or two. But what it comes down to is did I learn something? Yes. Am I suffering from a massive and depressive low? No. Did I sit through a bunch of sales pitches while at MMI? Yes. Did it annoy me? Yes Am I an adult that is capable of thinking for myself? YES! So why not use the scientific method. Take what was suggested, test the theory for a little while, and if it works, great keep doing it. If not, try something else...
Now, in response to all of the people that call what happens at these seminars "brainwashing." Do they get you to shout and agree with the instructors? Yes they do. Ever been to a penticostal or southern baptist church? A whole lot of dancing and "feeling of the holy spirit" going out there to get people excited for Jesus. How about Catholics, Muslims, or ANY other religion that asks/demands you to kneel before an icon and SUBMIT to the leaders interpretation of a book. But yet no one seems to say anything about that... I also find it convenient that no one mentions that churches teach to give a MINIMUM of 10% of your income to the church, an organization that doesn't pay taxes by the way... But the church also gives nothing back to the individual in the form of ways to improve their own situation. Other then "Trust in God" and "God helps those that help themselves."
Some will say that courses like these pray on the weak minded and insecure. And some of them do. And some of the people that attend are in fact weak minded and insecure. How about all of the people that go see therapists for years? When was the last time you saw a therapist that didn't live in a nice house and drive a $75,000 car? Are they not also profiting off of people that could be called weak minded and insecure?
Lets talk about the military. Do they not use the same tactics in boot camp. But no one has a problem with that. And most of the time in a military boot camp, people are insulted and screamed at on an almost hourly basis. There isn't much of a congratulatory feel at all until the very end which is the graduation ceremony. So is everyone in the military "brainwashed".
So to make a long post even longer, is there some good to be taken out of these types of courses, yes. Is there some bad or disagreeable content, yes. Do you as an adult man or woman have the free will and ability to chose what you apply to your life and what you don't, ABSOLUTELY!
So if you really want to criticize the person who put up this post, fine that's your right to do. It was also his right to post it. And for those that want to call the Peak Potentials Training courses a cult or whatever, your entitled to your opinion. But is any current religion that is practiced in the world today any different?
The bottom line is that people want/need something to believe in, and if the teaching from Peak Potentials is what they CHOOSE to believe in, good for them. If not, good for them.
The point is, enjoy your life, live it to it's fullest potential.
And no, I AM NOT, a paid member of Peak Potentials like some will accuse me of. I AM NOT, some "brainwashed" follower either. I am a grown ass man, capable of making my own decisions and thinking my own thoughts.
Thanks for reading my post.
Thanks for the comments. After reading these comments I definitely won't bother going through the training.
The only thing sad about potential attendees reading this blog is that there's a chance Harv won't get their money.
Despite all these claims of what a life changing experience it is, there's no deviating from the bottom line. T. Harv Ecker is all about getting his hands on your cash.
I attended ELWT. I was a sucker. Turned out it was really no big deal. Some of it was just incredibly silly. There was nothing said in the annoying early morning meetings that I didn't already know. (and not through any thanks to Ecker)
Not only that, but in Canada, these courses are NOT tax deductible, contrary to what they tell you in effort to sell you on it. Peak Potentials and its affiliates are NOT accredited, you will NOT be able to claim the tuition. (which is not really tuition. It's just sucker money)
Spend your hard earned cash elsewhere. Take a night course, improve your prospects. Ecker and his ilk are little more than cult level scam artists.
You're fucking crazy! If the author of this blog refers to it as a scam, then why are all of you suckers interested in reading the posts it if it's a scam?
We ran him out of Canada for a reason
I've read the original post and most of the comments. The Enlightened Warrior Camp I attended had 325 enrolled, and when I attended as a volunteer a couple years later, it had grown beyond 500.
Let me share what worked and didn't work for me with Peak Potentials training.
What worked is my attitude in life changed. Now I start with a YES in new as well as old situations. I'm way more positive. I'm more willing to stand up for what I believe in and know I'm capable of many more actions than before.
So attitude change and knowing yourself better gets a big yes.
Financial success and happiness gets a big no.
Many Peaks grads are "working on a new business" of some sort or other. But do any of them succeed anywhere near the level that Harv promises?
Can any of you name even five grads who factually created and sustained financial freedom for themselves?
The bottom line is, Harv seriously UNDER delivers in this department.
I also see, looking back, how he fosters serious manic-depressive cycles in people's lives. Higher highs (at events), lower lows after.
Harv's solution for avoiding the lows is to attend more events. That way you won't have as much time between events to drop.
Ya right. Following Harv's advice made the lows in between courses even lower for me. His solution is a perfect way to get people to spend more money or volunteer over and over again.
I have come to the conclusion that Peak Potentials does not deliver the insights, secrets or reconditioning necessary to SUCCEED with more money and more happiness.
That part just isn't true in my experience.
The Peaks dream (of happiness AND success) is the carrot that kept me coming back. Harv made me believe I could do things and invest money in things I never would have thought of - and I wasted a ton of time and money. NONE of them came to fruition, from Never Work Again investments to options trading to internet marketing.
I still want to succeed, I haven't given up, I am an Enlightened Warrior after all, but I won't take another Peak Potential's course ever again for the sake of learning how to make money or sustain happiness.
Hang the carrot all you like, Harv, I ain't biting anymore!
I attended MMI in Poland, and for what I read in this blog I feel that it's truth. I used to work in 'Word of mouth' marketing and I see that Harv's boys do a really nice job here. On the other hand this job is poor, nobody can adore everything in anything. There are always some hesitations left... As I said MMI in Poland didn't work clearly for me...
Sounds like a CULT to me !
Lets not forget LITERALLY choke you out ! This place sounds fucked !
Maybe you can think of it this way. When someone is seriously poison they need either a heavier dose of medication to recover or their recovering period will be longer than anyone else. If a patient is very ill he/she might need a longer recovery time. Which kind are you? very ill or ill?
It is very important to know and understand your very own condition. remember even if you go to the doctor for certain illness, they might need you to go for a prolong treatment. Does that mean that their treatment is not working? Or the patient is refusing to carry on treatment because the process is long and painful?
And worse if the patient stop the treatment and start laying blame on doctor and treatment not work where the doctor or treatment method had literally save many people.
I suggest this simple exercise you can try.
Pay 10 gratitudes every morning before every thing starts for you for the rest of your life. write it down on a nice book. pass it down to your next generation if you have one and let them read about it. Your life will be beautiful. And most importantly it is free.
God bless.
Jonathan Foo
I will be attending Warrior camp 4 days later cheers:)
I am a 67 year old woman - fit - go to yoga, gym, bike, golf, walk but I am a bit cautious and don't like the thought of hurting myself - would I cope with the physical side of Enlightened Warrior Training Camp? I don't mind camping and roughing it and i eat anything - not fussy about food.....................what do you think?
So. Just finished the camp. After some reviews i almost did not go. But turned out to be probably one of the best things happened to me in my life so far.
Couple of things are different. We did sleep in hotel rooms and not in tents. Every single volunteer is so passionate about why they are there. They are already warriors and its not difficult for them to do whatever it takes. Otherwise they would not be there.
Ive learnt what to do when i am scared to death. What to do when i cannot complete a task. Even though i give my best.
Learnt how to let go ego. And control. How to trust and rely on people. Accept help. Let go of some deep emotional issues, related to negative experiences with people from my past or present. Learnt how to come back after failure and conquer. How to fight till you think you cannot do more. And still continue fighting. And all these things i experienced in my own body, on cellular level. Which means i know it naturally, dont have to think about it anymore.
I agree for some people the activities are not challenging, so they might not learn as much about themselves as i did. But they still have the chance to learn but from another perspective. How they can be the leaders in the group. Help others. What matters to them in team work. Its basically up to you.Whatever meaning you give to your role in the activity.
I would highly encourage anybody to go. The least fit you are phisically, the better. Because its not about the activities. Its about you.God bless
You are all sheeple sucking the KoolAid from the TIT.
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